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Is there anything quite as suspicious as Rapidshare downloads?

keep saying it's suspiciuos unit you download it. i wasn't going to upload to rapidshare. but i did. it's 4 pdf's. i don't care if you download it. you should be smart enough to know what to execute and not execute.

i envy alot fo you. but some of the shit that you spew out is ridiculous.

hexen, you are really funny...

But what your malware.zip file, has to do with packers being attacked? It will solve our problem?

the problem is people are packing and encrypting executable code. i told people that before i uploaded that. stop packing your executable code and pack the non executable shit. that is the solution to your poblem.

if you can't conform it's your own damn fault. noone feels sorry for me when i can't do shit.

also if you don't believe me. try it out and see if i'm wrong. if i'm wrong i'll gladly stfu.

First, people pack demos, intros, etc... because compos ask for it (ie: you need for example to make a single binary file with x kbytes. using packing make this way easier).

And I pack my software, because the .exe of my apps (that has NO DATA on it) are 10mb (or more).

but i don't think everyone was talking about compos. they were talking about people running their productions in general. i don't see anything wrong with packing your stuff for a compo. but if you're going to upload it some places and distribute it. then maybe it is better to seperate it and compress the data that is used. i'm not saying stop what you're currently doing i'm saying these sites might be banning this shit because of the executable code being compressed and if you want to further distribute it then you might want to seperate the executable code and the data. that is all.

Iq: Give WebGL a couple of months and you'll be happy ;) Chrome is going to enable WebGL by default on the next milestone (2 or 3 months from now).

We're in a transition period right now. Thanks to all these new web technologies demos are going to make sense again because they'll be as easy to execute/watch. Why watch the youtube video version if you can watch the demo just as easily? ;) (Graphic cards requirements aside of course)

you know, there is so much of an interesting though. I personally just stick to the 4k limit for the simple and stupid reason there is a competition with that limit. I'm not brave enough to release a 6k intro, even if that can look SO much better that a 4k. I'm still asking myself why do I follow these stupid rules. I'm weak I guess. Bravo Debris/FR!

Trace, I agree with you, web is the thing, but I think we are still a bit too far (js is just... a toy), and I wish we were.

for me I don't like the idea of you having to change your content regardless. Perhaps I'm a bit idealist in this sense, but your not hosting malware and so therefor your isp shouldn't care. This all rubs me the wrong way

i don't tihnk it's about hosing malware. i think it's about there scanners having to scan this shit fast because it's on the internet. their scanners can decompress this stuff scan through it and determine if it's safe enough in a reasonable amount of time. so it checks certain things and the files aren't meeting their requirements. i still think it's about the code being compressed. you can bitch about it all you want. but i don't think they are going to change much.

the fact that the code is executable and compressed has to be the problem. how are they going to determine if your code is safe with their online scanner without decompressing it and actually analyzing the executable?

Another random thinking:

The day demos/intros are consumed on the web, the size limitation will not be an interest anymore I guess. Cause one simply connects and there is no such a think as "bytes downloaded" counter anywhere in the browser to look at and be proud of.

In the other hand, in my case I don't like demos that much, but size limited prods. But not because of the size limit, but because of the proceduralism involved. But if one cannot distinguish proceduralism vs regular backed content the day size doesn't matter anymore, then the only way to show proceduralism will be trhu interactivity (cause procedural means it can be generated from a small amount of data and also that it can react or be different every time).

So, it seems like my future is that of procedural interactive/reactive webdemos? Boooooring, I don't want interactive stuff, I want to (try to) art-direct my stuff. I'm depressed.

there are alot of things that could benefit from procedurally created content not just demos. also, i don't see why alot of demosceners don't make everyday business and random usefull software and try to make it in the least amount of space they can. stuff learned in the demoscene is a skill and should be able to be applied to all software not just demos.

yes sigflup, I am idealistic too, and I tried to make the guy in the hosting tech support understand the situation, but it just didn't work. In fact, the next time they detect a dangerous exe they will definitively close our account (that will happen next month when they scan again). I will be all this month silently and calmly wait seeing the day arrive.

Being philosophical, what pisses me off the most is the fact that they are in the need to protect themselves, the fact that the damn malware exists in the first place. I know real life is like that, that there are bad guys and that the system/people have to protect and defend from them, even if that makes the flow of things slower. Not big deal. I was idealistic and expected the digital reality to be different, a much more civilized place, but in the end the same crappy people walk arround, with malware instead of knifes and guns, but the same crap.

And again, even if I change webhost, there is still protection in the browsers, and in the SOs, and extra optional AVs, and .... In the end watching an intro is a pain.

I guess hexen is right, just compress the data and leave the exe untouched. For that to work (sceners keep doing same visual quality level in prods) we should increase the size limits to 6k and 70k or something. But this would be like heresy to many I guess.

(and now I go to bed)

well, that's one of the big reasons we stopped seriously doing intros ages ago, when this whole packer paranoia started.

jsyk.

Another possibility would be to put the "safe" (uncrinklered) version in a separate archive. Interested non-sceners can download and watch this, they won't care about size limits anyway. (Besides that, "Elevated" would still be überawesome if it was 20k, even by demoscene standards :) For those who want "the real thing", you just have a separate archive with the 4k stuff.

why not just move to a small hosting provider? you know, the kind run by two geeks, part time, who kind-of-know all their customers?

or to untergrund, of course, but what i'm trying to say is that plenty hosting companies do not have such robots installed, and are not being idiots about issues like this. small also does not need to mean expensive.

iq: really, do a 6k. I think we all would love to see it.

just upload your files to scene.org and link to that. much better.

yeah, or planet-d... ahem :)