DSL in Greece
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@moT: That's a joke, isn't it?!
@Nafcom: Unfortunately this is not a joke.
The truth is that the cabling infrastructure has really improved in the last years, and it is so vast and dense that distances between your house and the access point are doubtful to be larger than 1 or 2km ..
However, the new wiring required for the digital services has not replaced the old wiring, resulting into remnants of what was so called a phone network being mixed with the new ones.
If a technician comes to install a new phoneline, his duty would more or less be to make that line work (i.e. you can hear and be heard on the phone). Making sure that you would get a good quality line for internet connectivity is something he wouldn't be bothered with. Besides, up to a certain point the usage of modems on the local phone network was illegal, even though nobody cared if you did use a modem and no regulations were enforced for that matter.
Things have turned better with ISDN, as OTE has been advertising about the ISDN benefits, services and quality, so you don't have to worry about giving that extra tip to the technician.. =)
However, DSL technology might bring those dreaded days back. Since the announced prizes for anything more than a 256/128 DSL package are just out of reach for the majority of the customers, a technician will not bother getting you a line that will support anything above that. So should you find yourself a way to afford a higher bandwidth DSL setting, would simply mean going all over this again.. (and tip the technician.. ehehehe).
Sadly enough, the telecommunications monopoly in Greece has been officialy lifted on January 1st 2000. 3 1/2 years have passed ever since, and we still are reluctant to see the labor of such an action.
A promising effort had been made about 1 1/2 year ago for cheap DSL lines (compared to the OH-SO-EXPENSIVE ISDN lines) ranging at about €45/month for a 256/128 DSL including everything (ISP cost/Line Lease cost and a voice line). However, at a certain point the company offering that package stopped providing new lines to the end users. Stopped informing the audience and although everyone mentions the company's name in tests and magazines, it more or less seems like a ghost company.
Until the day that a large telecomms company from let's say the UK, decides to make a huge investment into laying cables in the Greek territory, broadband will be a dream for the few of us that require it.
Oh and Shagma: Greece is a lot more than that. We do hold lan parties and demo parties you know. Now combine those with sex on the beach and boozing and consider again.. Where would you like to live tommorow? =)
Oh.. and mental knowing.. sex on the beach is romantic! Very romantic. On the other hand, getting the sand out of your ass afterwards isn't! =)
The truth is that the cabling infrastructure has really improved in the last years, and it is so vast and dense that distances between your house and the access point are doubtful to be larger than 1 or 2km ..
However, the new wiring required for the digital services has not replaced the old wiring, resulting into remnants of what was so called a phone network being mixed with the new ones.
If a technician comes to install a new phoneline, his duty would more or less be to make that line work (i.e. you can hear and be heard on the phone). Making sure that you would get a good quality line for internet connectivity is something he wouldn't be bothered with. Besides, up to a certain point the usage of modems on the local phone network was illegal, even though nobody cared if you did use a modem and no regulations were enforced for that matter.
Things have turned better with ISDN, as OTE has been advertising about the ISDN benefits, services and quality, so you don't have to worry about giving that extra tip to the technician.. =)
However, DSL technology might bring those dreaded days back. Since the announced prizes for anything more than a 256/128 DSL package are just out of reach for the majority of the customers, a technician will not bother getting you a line that will support anything above that. So should you find yourself a way to afford a higher bandwidth DSL setting, would simply mean going all over this again.. (and tip the technician.. ehehehe).
Sadly enough, the telecommunications monopoly in Greece has been officialy lifted on January 1st 2000. 3 1/2 years have passed ever since, and we still are reluctant to see the labor of such an action.
A promising effort had been made about 1 1/2 year ago for cheap DSL lines (compared to the OH-SO-EXPENSIVE ISDN lines) ranging at about €45/month for a 256/128 DSL including everything (ISP cost/Line Lease cost and a voice line). However, at a certain point the company offering that package stopped providing new lines to the end users. Stopped informing the audience and although everyone mentions the company's name in tests and magazines, it more or less seems like a ghost company.
Until the day that a large telecomms company from let's say the UK, decides to make a huge investment into laying cables in the Greek territory, broadband will be a dream for the few of us that require it.
Oh and Shagma: Greece is a lot more than that. We do hold lan parties and demo parties you know. Now combine those with sex on the beach and boozing and consider again.. Where would you like to live tommorow? =)
Oh.. and mental knowing.. sex on the beach is romantic! Very romantic. On the other hand, getting the sand out of your ass afterwards isn't! =)
aMUSiC: another point to add here is user to user connection. Broadband providers limit you to 256kbps of *Internet* traffic. If two users exchange data over their ISP (effectively using only the ISP's internal network), the limit shouldn't apply, thus reaching the speed your modems can handle. That ghost company you mentioned works that way. You get a 256kbps connection to the Internet, but between users Intraconnect users you can reach up to 1mbps :-)
Shagma: You were not on the right place at the right Icafe if so ;) Here in Thessaloniki it has a lot of netcafe's (somehow, everyone started opening his own store) and some are fast enough, but yes there are some other small unknown stores or others in small cities or villages who are deadly slow or not functioning well..
@aMusic, moT, Optimus:
As I all heard this, I prefer to live in Germany. But anyway, I also dream of broadband but no way until year 2005.
And well, our technicans here don't work that way..
Does anyone of you know when DSL will be available in Greece?!
As I all heard this, I prefer to live in Germany. But anyway, I also dream of broadband but no way until year 2005.
And well, our technicans here don't work that way..
Does anyone of you know when DSL will be available in Greece?!
Nafcom: Nobody said you should come live in Greece. Of course you are welcome if you ever wish to. I personally believe that every place (and everything) has its good and its bad parts, no exceptions.
As for DSL in Greece, it is unknown when it's going to be available. It could be tomorrow (if some good competition crashes the Greek telecom market) or it could be in 4 years. Who knows... In the meantime, I'm going to sit over my trusty-old 56K modem and drink lots of (frappe) coffee while waiting for the stuff to get downloaded :-P
As for DSL in Greece, it is unknown when it's going to be available. It could be tomorrow (if some good competition crashes the Greek telecom market) or it could be in 4 years. Who knows... In the meantime, I'm going to sit over my trusty-old 56K modem and drink lots of (frappe) coffee while waiting for the stuff to get downloaded :-P
To moT:
Well, I didn't mean it that bad, of course! Well, no place is perfect and I am sure you automatically modify yourself to feel compfortable where you live.
I just find any monopoly really bad, as it prevents from getting things developed.
Well, in 10 years, everybody will surf in world wide web without waiting and we will smile about what we wrote here and see how things changed :)
And in Germany, things aren't that better than in other countries. You have no ADSL in East Germany and the German Telecom does not plan to change the situation because it would mean to replace all (!) phone lines so to upgrade the whole phone network!
Well, internet is not everything and I have used modem for 3 years and I was really surprised when phone company said I have DSL in my house in this small village!...
Well, I didn't mean it that bad, of course! Well, no place is perfect and I am sure you automatically modify yourself to feel compfortable where you live.
I just find any monopoly really bad, as it prevents from getting things developed.
Well, in 10 years, everybody will surf in world wide web without waiting and we will smile about what we wrote here and see how things changed :)
And in Germany, things aren't that better than in other countries. You have no ADSL in East Germany and the German Telecom does not plan to change the situation because it would mean to replace all (!) phone lines so to upgrade the whole phone network!
Well, internet is not everything and I have used modem for 3 years and I was really surprised when phone company said I have DSL in my house in this small village!...
consulting + Peter Gabriel earworm + old internet nostalgia + 80s + tired + Weird Al = the monstrosity in question:
"I wanna be your, your DSLAM, host
Why don't you call my nameserver
Oh let me be your, your DSLAM, host
This will be my system log feed
Show me round your ports, host
Cos I will be your ISP
Open up your WAN port
Triple play is sweet as can be"
"I wanna be your, your DSLAM, host
Why don't you call my nameserver
Oh let me be your, your DSLAM, host
This will be my system log feed
Show me round your ports, host
Cos I will be your ISP
Open up your WAN port
Triple play is sweet as can be"
Best necroposting ever :)
I wonder is DSL in Greece still has bad and shady as discussed in this thread, now 15 years later?
Haha no
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Haha no
So what has changed please? What is the current status? :) thanks in advance!
I don't know actually. As I am not living in Greece currently.
But the speeds are good enough now from what I remember. Although not sure how they compare to other countries.
But the speeds are good enough now from what I remember. Although not sure how they compare to other countries.
just saw that greece is even worse than germany when it comes to FTTH ;-)
