The first Demoscener - Oskar Fishinger
category: general [glöplog]
as far as i know, oscar fischinger was the first to combine visuals and audio in sync. his brother, hans fischinger made the "tanz der farben", which is my favorite pre-computer demo.
it was normal for the time that animations were in color while real movies were still in black&white. they were using some kind of rotating rgb-filter in front of the camera, too slow for live action.
the current pixar movie "ratatouille" uses fischinger-style animations to visualize the sensation of eating great food. these people know their roots, oscar fischinger worked on the abstract sequence in disney's fantasia.
it was normal for the time that animations were in color while real movies were still in black&white. they were using some kind of rotating rgb-filter in front of the camera, too slow for live action.
the current pixar movie "ratatouille" uses fischinger-style animations to visualize the sensation of eating great food. these people know their roots, oscar fischinger worked on the abstract sequence in disney's fantasia.
Man ray also did some great ones:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVMb9Wuno08<- man ray was the first one to use *tits*( at the end JSYK ;) ) (1923)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWoE4J467lc&mode=related&search= <- this one noticeable by its ... scrolltext ??? (1926)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVMb9Wuno08<- man ray was the first one to use *tits*( at the end JSYK ;) ) (1923)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWoE4J467lc&mode=related&search= <- this one noticeable by its ... scrolltext ??? (1926)
actually, here is what I heard at the conference about fantasia:
- First, someone from disney wanted to make a full length abstract movie, working with the whole european experimental movie makers to make them known. (yes, fischinger being technically one of the best of course, but he were not alone on it (I think of cocteau and ray. ))... the project was at first really abstract - no fucking mouse or anything, just effects - then, the production suddenly decided (of course for commercial purpose) experimental movie sucked, and just * one * scene from fischinger were kept, and If I remember well, the european people involved in the production were pissed off: watch the movie: less than five minutes of fischinger are actually used at the very beginning.
...this sentence takes slightly another color knowing this.
- First, someone from disney wanted to make a full length abstract movie, working with the whole european experimental movie makers to make them known. (yes, fischinger being technically one of the best of course, but he were not alone on it (I think of cocteau and ray. ))... the project was at first really abstract - no fucking mouse or anything, just effects - then, the production suddenly decided (of course for commercial purpose) experimental movie sucked, and just * one * scene from fischinger were kept, and If I remember well, the european people involved in the production were pissed off: watch the movie: less than five minutes of fischinger are actually used at the very beginning.
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(pixar)these people know their roots
...this sentence takes slightly another color knowing this.
... some maurice binder's generic from the 60's !!! I've been told the guy was known for his short movies before being so hugely used by hollywood:
charade, with design arrows !!!
Billion dollars brain
arabesque, extremely demoish
charade, with design arrows !!!
Billion dollars brain
arabesque, extremely demoish
ALL Hans Richter's experimental movies seem great, great great.
Viking EGGELING, 1924, great.
fernand leger, ballet mecanique "the first movie without scenario" (1924)...
All "Len Lye" stuffs... absolutely marvellous... and from 1935 with sounds !
Len Lye "A Colour Box" '1935) + "Free Radicals" (1958)
Viking EGGELING, 1924, great.
fernand leger, ballet mecanique "the first movie without scenario" (1924)...
All "Len Lye" stuffs... absolutely marvellous... and from 1935 with sounds !
Len Lye "A Colour Box" '1935) + "Free Radicals" (1958)
Oh my god. Duchamps invented the circle scroller?
What's next? Ce sont les regardeurs qui font le démo?
What's next? Ce sont les regardeurs qui font le démo?
Norman McLaren also did a lots of experimentations since 1933, but (maybe ) less demoish... I can't figure the technique he used in 1965 on this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bsdkmqx7l0&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bsdkmqx7l0&mode=related&search=
Walter Ruttmann !!! since 1921 and with style!
http://fr.youtube.com/results?search_query=Walter+Ruttmann&search=Rechercher
http://fr.youtube.com/results?search_query=Walter+Ruttmann&search=Rechercher
WTF ? "John Whitney" ??? computer graphics from the 60's ??? what's that ?
http://fr.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22John+Whitney%22&search=Rechercher
OMG too much demoïsh beautiful things there !!!
http://fr.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22John+Whitney%22&search=Rechercher
OMG too much demoïsh beautiful things there !!!
Bob McClay:
The Fine Art Of Goofing Off good demoish feelings... dunno the year.
The Fine Art Of Goofing Off good demoish feelings... dunno the year.
Krabob, you never read my text "Watching demos can kill you" ? You would know about Withney ! :)
Harry Smith,"Early Abstractions" (1946-57),
* Very very goooood *
Hy Hirsch, same techniques as John Whitney and McLaren it seems...
good lord ! And if the first demoscener was a girl ?
dada, Mary Ellen Bute, 1936 ... and what a minute... some parts look like debris !!!
dada, Mary Ellen Bute, 1936 ... and what a minute... some parts look like debris !!!
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computer graphics from the 60's?
Other names would be Ken Knowlton, Georg Nees, H W Franke, C Alsleben, Charles Csuri, A Michael Noll and Frieder Nake.
Some of them made animations/movies, most of them made plotter outputs of calculated images as an artistic expression. Misusing precious timesharing time and starting the first of computer arts in the early sixties.
If you seen such a plotter you won't believe it is not driven by steam.
Stan vanderbeek,1960 http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=C-1rQ_76seI
big not-demoish funny delirium on this one , but it seems only 1/3 of the artists I search are not on youtube. some other vanderbeek works seems more intersting for us.
big not-demoish funny delirium on this one , but it seems only 1/3 of the artists I search are not on youtube. some other vanderbeek works seems more intersting for us.
thanks jxn and tom.
Ok, i add a last one: saul bass:
http://fr.youtube.com/results?search_query=Saul+Bass&search=Rechercher
...he did some great generics like maurice binder, he seems to have more or less the same techniques ...
so here it is... I wanted to point out there was hundred of interesting experimental movie artists since the 20's, on different periods, and that their works have something close to what we do.
Ok, i add a last one: saul bass:
http://fr.youtube.com/results?search_query=Saul+Bass&search=Rechercher
...he did some great generics like maurice binder, he seems to have more or less the same techniques ...
so here it is... I wanted to point out there was hundred of interesting experimental movie artists since the 20's, on different periods, and that their works have something close to what we do.