"Hackers" sucks.
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if you got infected by worms in "Hackers" you'd know it, because worms would appear on the desktop and slowly eat it, leaving the screen black.
viruses do pretty much the same thing, but they're more pacman-like, ie a pacman eating the desktop.
trojans show themselves as interactive red-tinted videos of their evil creators.
all computer related problems are accompanied by some random noise > sample & hold > pitch from an MS-20
viruses do pretty much the same thing, but they're more pacman-like, ie a pacman eating the desktop.
trojans show themselves as interactive red-tinted videos of their evil creators.
all computer related problems are accompanied by some random noise > sample & hold > pitch from an MS-20
People that complain about "hackers" are idiots who completely missed the point.
and all keystrokes go *plonk*
hackers rules! i love that film!
this thread is now an ode to Hackers the AWESOME movie!
the servers from Hackers look like a Synesthetics demo!
the servers from Hackers look like a Synesthetics demo!
np. orbital - halcyon & on & on
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"Hackers" is not the must unrealistic hacker movie ever. That would be this one:
What's interesting is that the computer genius aka bad guy from Charlie's Angels
is a 1:1 copy of John Carmack. Scary. :)
is a 1:1 copy of John Carmack. Scary. :)
Dunno could be a coincidence.. john carmack does not look very remarkable.
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"Hackers" is not the must unrealistic hacker movie ever. That would be this one:
Yeah, but Angelina Jolie was pretty hot in hackers too
agreeing with mrwb and sparcus here (I had written a 'def base: wtf are you talking about' but removed it) - the first reference I ever read to the term 'hacker' was in an issue of 'Science '80' which was published in '79, and unfortunately, I cannot find a copy of it ANYWHERE. This was the issue that detailed the building of Tim Skelly's Cinematronics game 'Star Castle' and the best pinball game of all time, 'Black Knight.' (It's also possible that the article was in a different issue, but the only one I really remember was the one with Skelly's info and so on. Skelly rocks.)
Anyway, it indicated that the term originated at MIT, and had origins in the term 'hacker' - a person who hacked together furniture using whatever means was neccesary. (Southern US term, particularly in the furniture building regions of Mississippi. Think "Tupelo" without "Elvis."
It also had this awesome poem, along with the 'hacker' article:
I really hate this damn machine
I wish that they would sell it
it never does just what I want
but only what I tell it.
It would be 3-4 years before I was able to actually GET a computer of my own. I would have been 11 when I read that article. This should be in my freakin journal.
Anyway, it indicated that the term originated at MIT, and had origins in the term 'hacker' - a person who hacked together furniture using whatever means was neccesary. (Southern US term, particularly in the furniture building regions of Mississippi. Think "Tupelo" without "Elvis."
It also had this awesome poem, along with the 'hacker' article:
I really hate this damn machine
I wish that they would sell it
it never does just what I want
but only what I tell it.
It would be 3-4 years before I was able to actually GET a computer of my own. I would have been 11 when I read that article. This should be in my freakin journal.
Prof. Spock: There are a few more parallels between the two apart from what can be seen in the photo. :)
After some more "research", I take back the first sentence in my previous post, "Hacking" was indeed used to describe pranks as well. ;)
I also found a book about this stuff:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nightwork-History-Hacks-Pranks-MIT/dp/0262661373
Might be a funny read.
I also found a semi-amusing read about the subject, written by the "father" of the Free Software Movement Richard Stallman:
http://www.stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html
I also found a book about this stuff:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nightwork-History-Hacks-Pranks-MIT/dp/0262661373
Might be a funny read.
I also found a semi-amusing read about the subject, written by the "father" of the Free Software Movement Richard Stallman:
http://www.stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html
FFS! The proper term is haxx0r. Please.
I liked that article by Richard. Though, doesn't it make you mad that people have developed the term "cracker" to make the distinction about the malicious hackers ignoring the other use of it for copy protection crackers? When terms colide, it's odd to me. Hard to explain to someone what is a demo in our scene when they think about the demo of a commercial game ;P
Angela Bennet was such a hotie!
LET OFF SOME STEAM, BENNETT!
T, um, you don't see a small difference between furniture and breaking security mechanisms? I'm talking about the contemporary meaning of the word "hack", not some rubbish that happened in the model railroad club at MIT 50 years ago or a spaceship game on a PDP-11. Just like how the word "gay" used to mean "happy", one definition has no relation to the other apart from being the same word.
I still maintain that people abuse the word "hacker" because they think it makes them sound like some cool uber-security-overlord. Kernel hackers? Pah, you're coders - be proud of that and don't use stupid "l33t" labels.
mrwb, the book you might be thinking of is (ironically) Stephen Levy's "Hackers", a history starting with the Model Railroad and lockpicking clubs and going all the way to Sierra online etc.
I still maintain that people abuse the word "hacker" because they think it makes them sound like some cool uber-security-overlord. Kernel hackers? Pah, you're coders - be proud of that and don't use stupid "l33t" labels.
mrwb, the book you might be thinking of is (ironically) Stephen Levy's "Hackers", a history starting with the Model Railroad and lockpicking clubs and going all the way to Sierra online etc.
defbase: huh? I was thinking of a book? *reads back*
Anyway, the definition of "hacker" varies, and I happen to prefer this one...
...over the one media uses because the one in the quotes are the "true" meaning of the term. To me, any type of security circumventing , be it in the form of breaking into a closed network or cracking a game is "cracking", not "hacking".
Anyway, the definition of "hacker" varies, and I happen to prefer this one...
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hacker n.
[originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe]
1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. RFC1392, the Internet Users' Glossary, usefully amplifies this as: A person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular.
2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming.
3. A person capable of appreciating hack value.
4. A person who is good at programming quickly.
5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it; as in "a Unix hacker". (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them congregate.)
6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example.
7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations.
8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence password hacker, network hacker. The correct term for this sense is cracker.
...over the one media uses because the one in the quotes are the "true" meaning of the term. To me, any type of security circumventing , be it in the form of breaking into a closed network or cracking a game is "cracking", not "hacking".
Cracking a game was done maybe for the challenge of breaking the copy protection, so there is hack value in it.
Breaking in networks to deface website in a 1337 way is mostly popular because it's considered ubercool. Well, there might be also true hackers inside the new "hacker" community full of trendy kids, but these are not only there and these people are also much into other aspects of computing because they enjoy the way of doing it. I know a greek demoscener who was also into "hacking" and other things in the past. But most are kids who are into it because it's cool, while at the same time they don't understand what is cool in the demoscene or other coders stuff. Anyways, the gay was "happy", gay is something else, example made it for me ;P
Breaking in networks to deface website in a 1337 way is mostly popular because it's considered ubercool. Well, there might be also true hackers inside the new "hacker" community full of trendy kids, but these are not only there and these people are also much into other aspects of computing because they enjoy the way of doing it. I know a greek demoscener who was also into "hacking" and other things in the past. But most are kids who are into it because it's cool, while at the same time they don't understand what is cool in the demoscene or other coders stuff. Anyways, the gay was "happy", gay is something else, example made it for me ;P
mrwb, most of those definition points concern programming. Which is why I believe there is a difference between a programmer and a coder - you'll never find programmers in the scene, you'll find lots of coders though.
Okay, so let's take your definition. A "hacker" is the generic unix/kernel/whatever hacker. That makes someone who breaks network security systems a "cracker", right? So what do you call people who break software protection? It doesn't seem right to call them crackers too, because breaking past a cisco box is a fairly long way from breaking armadillo - why split out phreakers in that case?
sorry, thought you were referring to a book you couldn't remember the title of. Your description was basically identical to the book I referenced.
Okay, so let's take your definition. A "hacker" is the generic unix/kernel/whatever hacker. That makes someone who breaks network security systems a "cracker", right? So what do you call people who break software protection? It doesn't seem right to call them crackers too, because breaking past a cisco box is a fairly long way from breaking armadillo - why split out phreakers in that case?
sorry, thought you were referring to a book you couldn't remember the title of. Your description was basically identical to the book I referenced.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_Manifesto
defbase: How do you feel about the fact that the (only) people you consider hackers, consider linux kernel programmers and such to be hackers too?
defbase: How do you feel about the fact that the (only) people you consider hackers, consider linux kernel programmers and such to be hackers too?
Oh and don't forget the other stupid definitions of black/white/red/yellow/green/blue/purple/bordeau/orange/myass hats. More and more definition for the same shit :/
as i said before i respect original hacking .. may it be hardware, demo, hack to steal money out of coke machines etc. if you use hack made by somebody else like script kiddies its not cool. and making viruses for money is super fucking lame. i would personally put dynamite into that kid ass who creates virus for money and makes invisible botnets. and total megafucking respect to original phoneline hackers who invented bluebox etc. and respect to people who remove hard copy protections from games. and also hardware hackers nowadays who makes things like passme for nintendo ds. we need more hacker spirit to demoscene, "original hacker spirit" to make something which is impossible happend...
