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hitch: i sortof expected either Smash or Ithaqua

who ?

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thanks for all the ideas for - and the good discussion of - the PAiN-charts revamping idea. I'll soon set up an extend list of what we're going to do/change. Then, once we got that, we'll implement the stuff and see start it off.

Further ideas/suggestions are of course still more than welcome, I don't think we've found the ideal solution yet. ;-)

displaying the number of voters would be a great way of facelifting :)

on the website or in the mag? the number of voters is already in the Hall Of Fame in the mag, but it wouldn't be bad to put it on the website..

on the site of course;)

I don't think a oldschool-newschool spearation would be that good. For one, it doubles the voting amount which just scares away those few voters pain has. And i doubt it would change that much from month to month. That 3 years old rule is a bit awkward too, since fe. Kasparov is more than 3 years old, I still wouldn't consider it oldschool.

but it has no shadows!!!!1

another thing: what do you consider a good ranking system?

points = 10 - rank + 1? (when there's a top10 to be filled in) .. pretty stupid, but maybe it's still the best one?

would something logarithmic, progressive, linear, lame, ... make more sense? ;-) any math-gurus around?

Personally I would welcome it if people could only vote for productions which have been released three years ago - and nothing older!

Most charts are full with awfully inactive people and this doesn't give any newcomer a chance to enter...

yeah, actually the eurocharts thingie was a good idea. but on the other hand, pain isn't strictly limited to pc products only...

maybe it should be?

limitation to pc, or "opening up" for other systems will be partly solved with the new system, mainly to a very flexible category-system that will allow us to change vote categories and add new ones and so on.

but anyway, i was about the points/ranking system now. Any ideas/suggestions?

unlock, i suggest the system they used at tum. list *all* coders, and have the voters rate everyone of them from SUCKS!! to RULEZ!!

ditto for musicians, graphicians, demos, intros, etc.

We used a logarithmic system in Hugi a while ago. IIRC it was 4 points for #1, 2 points for #2 and 1 point for #3. Had we given 4-n points for #n, the results would have been a bit different. The difference between linear and logarithmic scales is that in a linear scale, productions have a chance to get quite a lot of points even if nobody votes them as #1 or #2, if a lot of people vote for them at lower places. This is much more difficult in a logarithmic scale.

Increase the number of entries to 20 / category (like in ec, if i remember well), i think that it may helps your charts to be a little bit more moving / surprising.

1st place ranked in a category of a vote sheet got 20 points / 20th place got 1 point, eg:

3 people ranked skrebbel at 1st place in a category: +60 points for him in that category.
3 people ranked chaos at 15st place: +6 points for him.
etc.

But if the user can enter a scale per entry, just avoid anything similar or approaching a mongoloid'n'manichean system like this very site :D

hahah yeah in the best c\~~/ drinker category!

Logarithmic scales may be valuable too, yeah.

how about allowing a voter to enter any scener/prod (like, pick from a list or enter one if it isn't in the list) and give him/it a SUCKS to RULES ratio (ala tum), and allowing the voter to pick as many people/prods as he wants? as long as some uniqueness test is in place, i doubt that'd create many ways for fraud or crappy results.. right?

coding the interface would be an extra challenge, i agree. but well that could be done i guess.

skrebbel: i don't really like the idea of rules/sucks - too much pouetish and afterall it's still a diskmag-chart. Also, imagine the list that would appear there (if not following your second suggestions ;-)) .. and no one in the PAiN team really has the time or motivation to manage such lists, keep the current and whatever (that would also needed to be done when letting people add entries to such a list).

if there are no more clever/complex/whatever algorithms for spreading the points are coming up, i think we'll start with a simple linear scale as originally suggested by me and acknowledged by adok and hitchhikr :)

unlock, damn, i thought you were at tum and breakpoint :)
i said SUCKS to RULES ("to", not "or"), i believe there were like 5 categories at the aforementioned parties:

SUCKS!
nah
average
good
RULES!

or something like that.

skreb: of course i was there, but as you might know i do never vote except if i was paid with beer to vote for certain entries ;-)