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Obviously a bunch of nagging people :P
I 'introduce' the scene to non-sceners all the time these days. And our latest demo was shown on national TV. And more and more people seem to write about the scene in academic circles and even more keep oral presentations these days. I myself study what is loosely called 'DigiArt'.
You know...Ever since video came around, the 'Videoart scene' (since the 60s has been more and more 'known' to the public, here including myself. I still doesn't appeal to me, neither do ny forums they have (do they have any? I never even bothered to check or didn't listen if anyone told me). So I'm very tired now of all those 'No, they CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND IT so don't even bother' or 'People must discover it themselves' statements.
The scene is 'going public' more than ever now. So just sit back and relax, have a beer and stay on for the show :)
I 'introduce' the scene to non-sceners all the time these days. And our latest demo was shown on national TV. And more and more people seem to write about the scene in academic circles and even more keep oral presentations these days. I myself study what is loosely called 'DigiArt'.
You know...Ever since video came around, the 'Videoart scene' (since the 60s has been more and more 'known' to the public, here including myself. I still doesn't appeal to me, neither do ny forums they have (do they have any? I never even bothered to check or didn't listen if anyone told me). So I'm very tired now of all those 'No, they CAN NEVER UNDERSTAND IT so don't even bother' or 'People must discover it themselves' statements.
The scene is 'going public' more than ever now. So just sit back and relax, have a beer and stay on for the show :)
reed : i meant there are others scenes than demoscene, you know :) yep, using "whole scene" was quite rash. agree.
shifter : no idea was just a joke...
in my opinion showing only recent prods to public to describe what demoscene is, is the worst way. ofcourse the show will be attractive...
it's not a surprise that one can render 10.000+ polys on 2+(+)ghz machine with radeon9xxx and 512mb of ram. And a few additional megabytes of optimized 3dgfx-libs and awesome hardware acceleration. that's modern scene. what about writing decent realtime raytracer for <100mhz machine with 256mb harddrive :), no acceleration etc... ? an that's not oldschool. thats intermediate school :)
and ofcourse i know what are ~10mhz and less and what one can do with them.
shifter : no idea was just a joke...
in my opinion showing only recent prods to public to describe what demoscene is, is the worst way. ofcourse the show will be attractive...
it's not a surprise that one can render 10.000+ polys on 2+(+)ghz machine with radeon9xxx and 512mb of ram. And a few additional megabytes of optimized 3dgfx-libs and awesome hardware acceleration. that's modern scene. what about writing decent realtime raytracer for <100mhz machine with 256mb harddrive :), no acceleration etc... ? an that's not oldschool. thats intermediate school :)
and ofcourse i know what are ~10mhz and less and what one can do with them.
oops, Dominei comment appeared while i was writing my stuff... :)
yes, Dominei, sit back and relax. let capitalists own your ass. That would be great watching demo with advertisment screens every 15 seconds.
As coding demos becomes easier every day, you'll get it _very_ soon.
A vivid example is bullshit advertisment in pouet bbs.
yes, Dominei, sit back and relax. let capitalists own your ass. That would be great watching demo with advertisment screens every 15 seconds.
As coding demos becomes easier every day, you'll get it _very_ soon.
A vivid example is bullshit advertisment in pouet bbs.
in my opinion showing only recent prods to public to describe what demoscene is, is the worst way. ofcourse the show will be attractive...
i agree, but thing is that you have to sacrifice the 100% real demoscene show a bit in order to get people interested. the public won't appreciate rasterbars and shadebobs, now matter how l33t hardware hack the code is. (ever wondered why the 3dmark-series are so popular?) on the other hand, the public WILL like the spectacular stuff you do on THEIR machines, because they know that better. don't expect them to go mental on a c64 cuberotator; it's visibly hardcore, but to really feel thru the achievement, you have to know WHY it's hardcore, you have to feel the limitations of that certain machine - average joe users won't even recognize a c64.
i agree, but thing is that you have to sacrifice the 100% real demoscene show a bit in order to get people interested. the public won't appreciate rasterbars and shadebobs, now matter how l33t hardware hack the code is. (ever wondered why the 3dmark-series are so popular?) on the other hand, the public WILL like the spectacular stuff you do on THEIR machines, because they know that better. don't expect them to go mental on a c64 cuberotator; it's visibly hardcore, but to really feel thru the achievement, you have to know WHY it's hardcore, you have to feel the limitations of that certain machine - average joe users won't even recognize a c64.
>(german = technical, french = design, greek = ugly :)
Some French demos were more technical in the sense of CRTC tricks than anything else. Overflow's demos are light years ahead. Some German demos had software effects or anything more interesting than scrollers (Face Hugger, Odiesoft and others) but some Frenchies were doing software routines too (Antoine is the master). As for the greek side, we still have to work a lot on design..
Some French demos were more technical in the sense of CRTC tricks than anything else. Overflow's demos are light years ahead. Some German demos had software effects or anything more interesting than scrollers (Face Hugger, Odiesoft and others) but some Frenchies were doing software routines too (Antoine is the master). As for the greek side, we still have to work a lot on design..
Lol! Software VS Hardware, I said it again!!! We had the same discussion on the CPC and I was the same bitch!!! =)
mft: you sir, are a moron.
maybe so or maybe not.
actually, i feel quite confident on this one.
maybe so or maybe not too.
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..where is the Ouzo?!?! My mom took it???
i just cannot understand why everybody wants to make scene popular.
is it all about fame ? why can not you just release, party and enjoy ?
what is the fucking matter ? maybe you are being low paid by your boss ?
scene was never about money, but about pure art.
if i'm missing something, explain it. maybe i'll change my opinion, who knows...
for those ones who think i'm a moron ( i dont care ) there is another reason :
you'll get thousands morons ( who won't even appreciate your work, which i do appreciate ) everywhere : on pouet,on irc,at bp...
scene is not a merchandise.
is it all about fame ? why can not you just release, party and enjoy ?
what is the fucking matter ? maybe you are being low paid by your boss ?
scene was never about money, but about pure art.
if i'm missing something, explain it. maybe i'll change my opinion, who knows...
for those ones who think i'm a moron ( i dont care ) there is another reason :
you'll get thousands morons ( who won't even appreciate your work, which i do appreciate ) everywhere : on pouet,on irc,at bp...
scene is not a merchandise.
>i just cannot understand why everybody wants to make scene popular.
That's a good question for everyone to answer.
As for me, I just like demoscene outreach very much, perhaps because it makes me feel proud that suddenly the real world have a look at the scene, while trying to imagine the awe of computer industry people discovering the hidden marvels of democoding some unknown underground culture was practicing since the beginning. It's just that feeling for me and not the fact that a scener's parents, friends, girlfriend or boss will understand what are we doing..
That's a good question for everyone to answer.
As for me, I just like demoscene outreach very much, perhaps because it makes me feel proud that suddenly the real world have a look at the scene, while trying to imagine the awe of computer industry people discovering the hidden marvels of democoding some unknown underground culture was practicing since the beginning. It's just that feeling for me and not the fact that a scener's parents, friends, girlfriend or boss will understand what are we doing..
In fewer words, it's a wish that more people from the real world will understand our passion. And when we discover that they feel the same way as we feel about demos, we both feel happier!
Mft.. why make the scene popular? To attract new sceners, of course. (That was really hard, wasn't it)
well, if listeners are coders ( good ones ) its ok. otherwise not.
p.s. same with good musicians, gfx artists ofcourse
p.s. same with good musicians, gfx artists ofcourse
If scene would become popular, as Optimus described, the scene would die. I mean too that popularity kills. I totally agree with mft!!
I mean look at the music industry. Does the music becomes better or worse if it is merchandized?
I just can speak for myself: When someone spoke the word music about 10 years ago, I was filled with awe. Nowadays I just connect it to stars.. :-(
I mean look at the music industry. Does the music becomes better or worse if it is merchandized?
I just can speak for myself: When someone spoke the word music about 10 years ago, I was filled with awe. Nowadays I just connect it to stars.. :-(
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mft: I understand your point, but look at it this way: Someone who grew up with 386+ computers just hasn't got the nostalgic connection to C64 programming. And the people I'm going to show the presentation to, are that generation.
Also, those who take absolutely no interest in computers will definitely not stumble into the scene, while others might be attracted to join the scene and become talented members of it and that is exactly what is needed to keep the scene from dieing.
Also, those who take absolutely no interest in computers will definitely not stumble into the scene, while others might be attracted to join the scene and become talented members of it and that is exactly what is needed to keep the scene from dieing.
Don't fall into excess.
"Spreading the word" is not like "selling millions of CDs and being naked on MTV".
"Spreading the word" is not like "selling millions of CDs and being naked on MTV".
hey you forgot Eclipse !
Just so you know, it's about 25 people in that class :)
also wrote essay about demoscene.. :D
