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Another noob question: I tried a quick dummy app which simply creates a window. VC++ 2008 gives me a ~3K exe (I know I may be able to get it smaller but bear with me).

Now I tried UPX and kkrunchy on it. Both gave me a bigger exe (about 5K). So my initial guess is the unpack routines in these two are relatively bigger and more suitable for 64K demos. I may be wrong.

So my question is what exe packer do you guys use for your 4K pc products? Did i miss an option or something on kkrunchy?

Thanks for your help

for 4k the tool of your choice is crinkler. It's used as a replacement for the VC linker for your 4k projects and produces great results.

also : get rid of WinMain (google WinCRTStartup) and most libs that you dont use and configure compiler properly might also help.
see source of my 1k for more details.

Also take a look at iq's 1k/4k framework - http://iquilezles.org/www/material/isystem1k4k/isystem1k4k.htm

I prefer the soft daily packers myself, but that's just me soft packers

pfft, americans and their sense of humour :(

*ehem* away from semi-hard 4ks and back to the subject everyone...

no. soft packers rule.