Debate: Would you support this possible new demo platform?
category: general [glöplog]
Ok, try this one for size then. How about a new hardware platform that, if the manufacturers plans are realised, is going to be one of the cheapest and most widely spread and available worldwide, only second to the current dominant Microsoft paradigm. Maybe even overtaking that in time? Ladies and Demosceners, I give you, the One Laptop Per Child project!
The One Laptop Per Child Project might well be better known as the $100 laptop. The stunningly low selling point is intended to get it into areas of the world not normally rich in computing resources, what is generally known as the Third World in fact. The aim is to provide a cheap and easy educational resource to the average child in impoverished areas currently lacking these things.
So all very good and worthy, but apart from the fact that many demo parties do their best to resemble a Sudanese hell-hole at the height of the Janjawid raiding season, what has this do-goodery got to do with us? you ask.
Well one thing which might awaken demoscene interest, is the possibility of the backers of the One Laptop Per Child project looking at the possibility of selling the machine to the general public in the west, people like you and me. One suggestion being considered is for customers to have to buy two laptops at once (see end of article), with the second one going directly to a child in the developing world. Which would still be good value at $2-300, you get a cheap laptop, and the warm smug feeling of helping someone in poverty. What is there not to like about that?
Michalis Bletsas, chief connectivity officer for the project, said eBay could be a partner to sell the laptop. As things stand, this project is still in its early days. Initially, a first run of five million of the laptops will be delivered to developing nations this summer, in one of the most ambitious educational exercises ever undertaken. Any follow-up move to make the machines more widely available won't follow until 2008 at the earliest.
The next question you will want to ask, is the machine any good? What are those all-important tech specs like?
The proposed $100 machine will be Linux-based (a stripped down Fedora core), there will also be other tools and programming languages onboard as well), with a dual-mode display which has both a full-color, transmissive DVD mode, and a second display option that is black and white reflective and sunlight-readable at 3 times the resolution. (Wikipedia quotes 1200 x 900 pixels.) There is a built-in video camera capable of webcam type resolutions of 640 x 480 and a built-in microphone. The laptop will have a AMD 366MHz processor and 128MB of DRAM, with 500MB of Flash memory. It will not have a hard disk, but it will have four USB ports and an SD card slot. The laptops will have wireless broadband that, among other things, allows them to work as a mesh network; each laptop will be able to talk to its nearest neighbours, creating an ad hoc local area network. The laptops will use what were described as 'innovative' power systems and run at 2 watts (10-45 watts is normal for most other laptops) and will be able to do everything except store huge amounts of data.
So it won't be massively state of the art, or using Windows,
but I suspect it might have quite a lot to offer those people willing to invest some time and effort in it. A 366MHz cpu does not sound like much, but it is still a lot more than is available to coders working with oldschool hardware. I also guess that the Linux they will be using will be optimised and efficient and not imposing a big system overhead. I guess that means it won't overheat either, so no more hot laps from hot laptops! It is possible to add more flash memory, other devices via the USB ports, as I guess one of the things that might put some people off is the relative lack of storage.
(From the press release)
How is it possible to get the cost so low?
* First, by dramatically lowering the cost of the display. The first-generation machine will have a novel, dual-mode display that represents improvements to the LCD displays commonly found in inexpensive DVD players. These displays can be used in high-resolution black and white in bright sunlight, all at a cost of approximately $35.
* Second, we will get the fat out of the systems. Today's laptops have become obese. Two-thirds of their software is used to manage the other third, which mostly does the same functions nine different ways. The eventual aim is to sell the machine to developing countries for $100 but the current cost of the machine is about $150. The first countries to sign up to buying the machine, which is officially dubbed XO, include Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Nigeria, Libya, Pakistan and Thailand. The XO's software has been designed to work specifically in an educational context. It has built-in wireless networking and video conferencing so that groups of children can work together.
(End of press release.)
The other mind-boggling possibility is the very 'open' peer-to-peer ad-hoc wireless network. A whole coding party of these machines could link together in their own intranet. If they do add a 'wind-up' option for powering the machine, a-la Trevor Bayliss's clockwork radio, then there is no restriction on where you can hold the party, even a tent in the countryside! All you then need is a wind-up projector for the big screen and a LOT of booze to keep the cold out, so perhaps not such a great idea there!
I would guess that someone will get hold of one of these, and make something 'demoscene' on it, regardless of whether the machine is made officially available here or not. There will be a black market reselling them, and a certain initial curiosity about the platform. I'm awaiting a proper full review of the thing myself. This would fall into the Pokemon Mini me beautiful spirit of making something happen on 'forbidden' hardware. However, if the machine is sold in the developed world (undermining a lot of the existing laptop market in the process?) Then a lot more people will try their skills out on it, and this machine could become one of the much loved icons of the demoscene over a longer time, like the C64.
Just maybe, in the longer term, we could be talking about such concepts as the Nigerian or Costa Rican demoscene?!
Here's some weblinks to keep an eye on:
http://www.laptop.org
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OS_images
To bring the article right up to date, here's a statement from OLPC founder Nicholas Negroponte:
"Contrary to recent reports, One Laptop per Child is not planning a consumer version of its current XO laptop, designed for the poorest and most remote children in the world. XO will be made available to governments in very large quantities to be given to all children free, as part of the education system. Many commercial ventures have been considered and proposed that may surface in 2008 or beyond, one of which is 'buy 2 and get 1.' In addition, OLPC is launching OLPC Foundation later this month, specifically to accommodate the huge goodwill and charity that has surfaced around the idea of a $100 laptop."
Ah well, so it's not one for today, or even tomorrow, but maybe the day after that. Your own thoughts on the One Laptop per Child appreciated.
nice copy/paste action magic...
ugly ugly
There is this also intels reply, so I dont believe the bold words about "being only second to m$". also note how i used the quote tags properly.
There is this also intels reply, so I dont believe the bold words about "being only second to m$". also note how i used the quote tags properly.
Quote:
The World Ahead Program from Intel Corporation aims to enhance lives by accelerating access to uncompromised technology for everyone, anywhere in the world. Focused on people in the world's developing communities, it integrates and extends Intel's efforts to advance progress in four areas: accessibility, connectivity, education, and content.
Intel has a long history of working to improve education worldwide and our ongoing programs prepare teachers and students for success in the global economy.
The Intel-based classmate pc is a small, mobile educational solution that Intel has developed specifically for students in emerging markets.
In the past twenty-five years, the popularization of personal computers (PCs) together with access to the Internet has had a profound effect on peoples' lives. However, only roughly 10% of current households in the emerging markets of Africa, SE Asia, Latin America, India, China and Russia currently have PCs.
The classmate pc is a revolutionary new device targeted at providing one computing solution per student in emerging markets, taking advantage of the education focus to deliver a product that provides great student education in a rugged industrial design intended for children.
Features:
* Designed for education
* Durable rugged design for children's day-to-day use
* Small, kid friendly, form factor for classroom use
* Easy to carry and light-weight
* Education-specific features
* Integrated software and hardware solution
* Learning through fun, collaboration and interaction
* Easy to deploy
* IA-based, runs on already available content, applications and operating systems with full compatibility to standard PC ecosystem
Intel is coordinating with ODMs, ISVs and Educational Content Providers to design, develop and deliver a complete platform solution for emerging markets worldwide. For more information on the Intel-based classmate pc, please visit
its "Sugar" OS would have to go...
"Each program that a student might want to run (or write) operates in its own virtual machine that's isolated from the rest of the computer. The application has access to three directories - one for temporary files, one for configuration information and one for data. This gives a game a reasonable place to store its high-score file. The rest of the computer's file system is invisible."
How bloody boring.
"Each program that a student might want to run (or write) operates in its own virtual machine that's isolated from the rest of the computer. The application has access to three directories - one for temporary files, one for configuration information and one for data. This gives a game a reasonable place to store its high-score file. The rest of the computer's file system is invisible."
How bloody boring.
At least this is an incentive to hack the thing!
magic: yes ... it will be hacked when coders get it in their hands .. maybe
I dont get why they go such a long way to protect the system from user programs? 99.99% of the owners wont even try to do something they are not supposed to do with it and the 78 users who want to screw with the system will find a ways to do it.
It's has nothing to do with protecting the system from user programs, it's about control. The best way to combat viruses and malware is through education, everyone in the computer industry knows this! Teach people not to be retarded and not to double-click every MSN chat .exe they are sent and to keep their OS security patches up-to-date, etc, blah. But genuine prevention is not the aim...there's a lot of corporate/governmental interest in controlling what people do on their PC right now. They call it "Trusted Computing" (media buzzword to hook the naive) where your OS decides what you can and can't install, your OS decides what content you have access to and when and how much to charge at what rate.
People have far too much freedom on their PCs and the Net right now. So this is all part of the experimental phase of locking PCs and their OS down. It's what they want for our future OSs. You can already see the beginnings of it in Vista, of course.
People have far too much freedom on their PCs and the Net right now. So this is all part of the experimental phase of locking PCs and their OS down. It's what they want for our future OSs. You can already see the beginnings of it in Vista, of course.
I dont get it. If it only uses 2 watts and are supposed to use in africa/south america. Why not use solarenergy to power it? Or as said earlier (this thread isnt all fresh even tho original magic started it): why not let you drive it by your feets? Having to geer it up by hand is so fucking stupid it hurts.
maybe they think Africans have a lot of spare carbohydrates to burn :)
Actually the protection is ment to protect the thing against illegal reselling. Such a cheap laptop is a wet dream for criminals and corrupt politicians so they build in all kind of security mechanisms to make sure the laptops end up where they belong. Whether they'll succeed with that of course remains to be seen.
What would a corrupt politician do with a cheap lap top?
and how exactly do virtual computers protect from physical reselling?
There will be truckloads of these laptops shipped into third world countries if everything goes as plan. They should end up with the kids and not on some black market.
Commodore: the laptop contains some kind of activation mechanism to make sure that it can't be used before it ends up on it's destination. That's why they have to make sure you don't get full control of the computer.
like a reseller password you mean? how does the computer know that it's reached South America instead of North America? :)))
tbh, I really don't think the manufacturers give a shit who ends-up buying this thing. the last I heard, the official cost of this laptop was pushed up to $170+. Thats a nice little profit margin considering it's being manufactured in sweatshops in Taiwan.
SKREBBELSUPERFAN: Because solar cells are bloody expensive!
Commodore: Probably by sending out UN representatives to the villages, who know the password. (If they're even a tad smartaer, they'l use a challenge/response method, meaning that you'd have to get a private key and an agorithm to unlock it rather than just a password.)
Commodore: Probably by sending out UN representatives to the villages, who know the password. (If they're even a tad smartaer, they'l use a challenge/response method, meaning that you'd have to get a private key and an agorithm to unlock it rather than just a password.)
Can you still charge it with the handle?
i would suggest using GPS protection!
Usually most first-aid for the third world ends up displaced (local mafia), so yeah sparcus has a valid point here. But then again, food is a lot more worth here than a damn laptop (who knows what a computer is in Africa? and how are they gonna make food or water from it?) this is all just bullshit.
Give them electricity and some factories instead. But then again that would mean work and sacrifices, better give them toys!
Ohh is poor Ah Khali hungry? Here! Have a fisherprice car!
Give them electricity and some factories instead. But then again that would mean work and sacrifices, better give them toys!
Ohh is poor Ah Khali hungry? Here! Have a fisherprice car!
Quote:
Intel has a long history of working to improve education worldwide and our ongoing programs prepare teachers and students for success in the global economy.
The Intel-based classmate pc is a small, mobile educational solution that Intel has developed specifically for students in emerging markets.
...
Features:
* Designed for education
* Durable rugged design for children's day-to-day use
* Small, kid friendly, form factor for classroom use
* Easy to carry and light-weight
* Education-specific features
* Integrated software and hardware solution
* Learning through fun, collaboration and interaction
* Easy to deploy
* IA-based, runs on already available content, applications and operating systems with full compatibility to standard PC ecosystem
Skrebbel: This isn't bullshit.
First of all, this laptop will also be used in countries where lack of food isn't a problem.
Secondly, education is just as important as food because without proper education a country will never be able to solve it's food problems. Who is going to give them electricity and factories? Right, educated people.
First of all, this laptop will also be used in countries where lack of food isn't a problem.
Secondly, education is just as important as food because without proper education a country will never be able to solve it's food problems. Who is going to give them electricity and factories? Right, educated people.
They should ship the laptops with Windows XP and put you guys in charge of tech support. ;)
sparcus, I believe the above is not skrebbel but stefan.
The typical thinking he exudes here, is the clear strategy most western countries have with third world countries:
The strategy consisting in only providing enough life support for them to survive, but just barely so they have no way to contest our western rule.
However it is pretty much a long-term losing strategy, even if it permits the now powerful to keep engrossing themselves.
I see it pretty analoguous to how feud lords ruled the underclass of serfs during the middle ages.
Yet some hundred years later, without them noticing it, some other people from this then underclass actually came to become richer and more powerful than the old thugs that became knights.
Only those enlightened enough nobles who either fled (unlikely until we colonize mars) or recognized the value of the non-nobles would then avoid having their head cut off.
The typical thinking he exudes here, is the clear strategy most western countries have with third world countries:
The strategy consisting in only providing enough life support for them to survive, but just barely so they have no way to contest our western rule.
However it is pretty much a long-term losing strategy, even if it permits the now powerful to keep engrossing themselves.
I see it pretty analoguous to how feud lords ruled the underclass of serfs during the middle ages.
Yet some hundred years later, without them noticing it, some other people from this then underclass actually came to become richer and more powerful than the old thugs that became knights.
Only those enlightened enough nobles who either fled (unlikely until we colonize mars) or recognized the value of the non-nobles would then avoid having their head cut off.