any demosceners from mensa?
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I guess I'm not the only Mensa member in the demoscene?
No, but you're the only demoscener in Mensa though...
i'm not in mensa, but my neighbor has a brand new trampoline...
well, her dad is not in mensa either, i think.
well, her dad is not in mensa either, i think.
ah yes, the old mensa story.
tell us about it, adok.
tell us about it, adok.
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bah... sorry adok, but who the hell cares about all that IQ crap? i never took a test, and never tried to get "hochbegabtenförderung" whatsoever, but that doesnt stop me from not getting anything worse than 1- in any of my uni papers (and i'm in my final year now) and even getting a few things published. sure "hochbegabtenförderung" might help the one or the other, but in general i consider it nothing else than circlejacking to eachothers iq results.
and also, a persons iq doesnt automatically make him/her a critical and aware person who is able to follow and shape the society's discourses. this kind of iq-worshipping rather breeds elitism, arrogance and alienation. for example, why none of those "super-smart-kids"-associations raised their voice against the misery of the commercialization of the knowledge factor? why was there no solidarity to our struggle in germany against social selectiive student fees? did the MENSA speak out against student fees in austria a few years ago? i can't remember that. but why wonder... i don't think i'm going too far by telling that most of those organisations are conservative think-tanks or at least are linked to those.
and also, a persons iq doesnt automatically make him/her a critical and aware person who is able to follow and shape the society's discourses. this kind of iq-worshipping rather breeds elitism, arrogance and alienation. for example, why none of those "super-smart-kids"-associations raised their voice against the misery of the commercialization of the knowledge factor? why was there no solidarity to our struggle in germany against social selectiive student fees? did the MENSA speak out against student fees in austria a few years ago? i can't remember that. but why wonder... i don't think i'm going too far by telling that most of those organisations are conservative think-tanks or at least are linked to those.
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On what scale would that be, that is extremely utterly bad in .nl (we use a scale of 1 (utter failure) ... 10 (genius or bribed the teacher :-)
On what scale would that be, that is extremely utterly bad in .nl (we use a scale of 1 (utter failure) ... 10 (genius or bribed the teacher :-)
sparcus: It's also the same in Greece and most other countries too. I guess Germany has it reversed. It gotta puzzled me at first ;)
Other than that, I am maybe one of the worst students in my studies, even though I am teh 1337 coder at night ;)
Other than that, I am maybe one of the worst students in my studies, even though I am teh 1337 coder at night ;)
sparcus hehe, yeah thats TEH german confusion, here 1 is best and 6 is worst. :P
Hmm, I suddenly remember that I actually learned that at school when I still had german lessons...
I used to have very low grades for german (languages weren't my thing back then), even a 1 sometimes. So maybe I outsmarted the teacher? ;-)
I used to have very low grades for german (languages weren't my thing back then), even a 1 sometimes. So maybe I outsmarted the teacher? ;-)
and also i did some research on MENSA now. adok will surely get the hell loose on me by saying that they are political neutral and so on... "Mensa achtet strikt darauf, als Verein keine Meinung zu vertreten, und hat keine weltanschauliche oder politische Ausrichtung." (German wikipedia).
but if you read the biography of MENSA's founder, lancelot ware, you get to know that he was a british conservative politician.
and i don't want to make any accusations, but just one thought....
it's a typical claim of politically conservative organisations to pretend "keeping out of politics" while following a strictly political agenda, namely to make the organisation's target group apolitical and not being able to percieve social change. just as the neo-liberal and conservative german student associations (like the liberal LUST and the christian-democrat RCDS) like to bring the "we are not mingling with politics, we are helping the students' direct needs" argument in university parlament elections. SCREW THAT! their goal is to disclose students and other workers of intellect from their situation getting worse, to alienate them from the society's discourse, to break the students' solidarity and the feeling for common causes.
when the liberals and conservatives won the last elections in the cologne university, the first thing they did was to abolish the "antifa-referat", a department of the university student self-organisation to mobilize for an emancipatorial fight against racism and fascism (mind that a few days before there was actually a nazi march in cologne!). for them it probably was too "left-wing" and too much "into politics". instead they opened a totally ineffective "referat für internationales" where they organize irrelevant folkloresque evenings while fascist tendencies in society are not decreasing. i would never be as insane as to agree to the dimitroff interpretation of fascism as "the highest form of capitalism", but such contexts make one think...
this has gone pretty offtopic... anyway, i would never solidarize with an elitist and off-reality society like MENSA.
"Mensa has three stated purposes: to identify and foster human intelligence for the benefit of humanity; to encourage research in the nature, characteristics, and uses of intelligence; and to promote stimulating intellectual and social opportunities for its members.
i think this says enough. the elitist image of a "chosen few" for the sake of "civilization" a.k.a. "humanity", the narcissist dealing with "oh why are we so great" and blatant croneyism.
sorry for being a bit polemic, but some things just get me angry.
but if you read the biography of MENSA's founder, lancelot ware, you get to know that he was a british conservative politician.
and i don't want to make any accusations, but just one thought....
it's a typical claim of politically conservative organisations to pretend "keeping out of politics" while following a strictly political agenda, namely to make the organisation's target group apolitical and not being able to percieve social change. just as the neo-liberal and conservative german student associations (like the liberal LUST and the christian-democrat RCDS) like to bring the "we are not mingling with politics, we are helping the students' direct needs" argument in university parlament elections. SCREW THAT! their goal is to disclose students and other workers of intellect from their situation getting worse, to alienate them from the society's discourse, to break the students' solidarity and the feeling for common causes.
when the liberals and conservatives won the last elections in the cologne university, the first thing they did was to abolish the "antifa-referat", a department of the university student self-organisation to mobilize for an emancipatorial fight against racism and fascism (mind that a few days before there was actually a nazi march in cologne!). for them it probably was too "left-wing" and too much "into politics". instead they opened a totally ineffective "referat für internationales" where they organize irrelevant folkloresque evenings while fascist tendencies in society are not decreasing. i would never be as insane as to agree to the dimitroff interpretation of fascism as "the highest form of capitalism", but such contexts make one think...
this has gone pretty offtopic... anyway, i would never solidarize with an elitist and off-reality society like MENSA.
"Mensa has three stated purposes: to identify and foster human intelligence for the benefit of humanity; to encourage research in the nature, characteristics, and uses of intelligence; and to promote stimulating intellectual and social opportunities for its members.
i think this says enough. the elitist image of a "chosen few" for the sake of "civilization" a.k.a. "humanity", the narcissist dealing with "oh why are we so great" and blatant croneyism.
sorry for being a bit polemic, but some things just get me angry.
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bah... sorry adok, but who the hell cares about all that IQ crap?
Well... To state the obvious... Adok cares. Apparently very deeply.
PROUD is with a T, you dumbass!
What about Mensa? Its just some club. I guess everybody could join if he tried bad enough (Allmost all people in the demoscene at least). I think it is still better than these pseudoleet online business networks like openbc etc. At least mensa brings people together who try to act intelligent and not people who believe it is an art to screw other people over..
(not a mensa member btw..)
(not a mensa member btw..)
Dipswitch: You know, I'm a troll who likes to provoke in order to get discussions started. It's great to see I've succeeded again. :)
Since I didn't take any IQ test during my school career, I never considered myself "hochbegabt". However, after passing the Mensa test, I started dealing more with these tests and giftedness.
It's not really an elitist community. Most people there are what you'd call average and they talk about basically the same things everybody else is talking about. They're not really intellectuals as your professors at university, for example. But what makes them interesting is that they usually have many interests and you can basically talk to them about everything.
And of course I do agree that a lot of demosceners would pass the Mensa test! I mean, 130 is not so high, it's 1 out of 50 persons.
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As a matter of fact, I never took an IQ test before graduating from high school, and I hardly ever got any mark worse than 1 or 2 during my high school career. I just took the Mensa test because I wanted to find out if I'm so successful because I'm simply diligent, or if there is more to it.who the hell cares about all that IQ crap? i never took a test, and never tried to get "hochbegabtenförderung" whatsoever, but that doesnt stop me from not getting anything worse than 1- in any of my uni papers (and i'm in my final year now) and even getting a few things published.
Since I didn't take any IQ test during my school career, I never considered myself "hochbegabt". However, after passing the Mensa test, I started dealing more with these tests and giftedness.
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IMHO all children should be given the chances to get the education and training that match their capabilities. I didn't receive any special "Förderung", I attended a regular school and was actually quite happy with it, probably because I had so many books and of course computers at home that I never got bored. But there may be neglected children of educationally impoverished parents who underachieve at school; it's these children for which "Hochbegabtenförderung" programmes have been created.sure "hochbegabtenförderung" might help the one or the other, but in general i consider it nothing else than circlejacking to eachothers iq results.
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I've been a member of Mensa Austria for four years. I can tell you: There are no political activities of any kind in this organization, at least in Austria. It's simply a loose community of people of all walks of life who chat about god and the world, play games or visit museums together. But I think I've personally profited much of it because it has helped me learn how to handle people, which I've not been good at in the past.it's a typical claim of politically conservative organisations to pretend "keeping out of politics" while following a strictly political agenda, namely to make the organisation's target group apolitical and not being able to percieve social change.
It's not really an elitist community. Most people there are what you'd call average and they talk about basically the same things everybody else is talking about. They're not really intellectuals as your professors at university, for example. But what makes them interesting is that they usually have many interests and you can basically talk to them about everything.
And of course I do agree that a lot of demosceners would pass the Mensa test! I mean, 130 is not so high, it's 1 out of 50 persons.
"Mensa", sounds a bit like "Menswear", ahuhuhuh!
"Mensa" (in italian) is the place where a person gets his meal at school / mills.
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I attended a regular school and was actually quite happy with it, probably because I had so many books and of course computers at home that I never got bored.
Hmm, books and computers... Personally I think having friends would've been more useful. (That's the only thing that kept me semi-interested in school.)
I don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member.
Groucho
Groucho
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It's simply a loose community of people of all walks of life who chat about god
OMG, a bunch of suposedly highly intelligent people and still they're talking about god???
You're killing me Adok :-)
i'm not member of mensa, but my neighbor got lately a new trampoline.
..oh yeah i already told that :/
..oh yeah i already told that :/
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I just took the Mensa test because I wanted to find out if I'm so successful because I'm simply diligent, or if there is more to it.
Adok, I love you :-)
i'm not a member of mensa and i don't need any tests because i'm a born alpha after all.
seriously who cares natural mental and physical strengths when we can rule genetics and apply conditional education. how gifted might you be, you have no chance against huge armies of dumb people.
seriously who cares natural mental and physical strengths when we can rule genetics and apply conditional education. how gifted might you be, you have no chance against huge armies of dumb people.
im part of the Illuminati, but Dan Brown forgot to write about me.. also, i think im not allowed to tell this.. ok, nevermind!
