Is there a problem with adding new groups?
category: general [glöplog]
I've noticed that several new prods (and some old ones added recently) are lacking group names and have only a prod name to them - let me cite some examples:
"Everyway" for Amiga OCS/ECS - when the demo is booted from the file image, someone named "Hoffman" clearly shows up on the loading part - is that a group or not?
"The Vangelis Demo" - I added this myself years ago but I don't know why the group name "Music For Impact" wasn't added - is it not easy to set up that group? There may even be others out there with the same series!
"Vote for Evilbot! Amiga Edition" - I saw a demoparty video of this in action, and clearly there is a group behind it called "Czhulhu" - how come they haven't been added yet?
Last of all is "GL Excess" on Windows - I checked and the author of that is a "Paolo 'Bustard' Martella" - How come he wasn't added as a group? In any case, if there's a nickname I would assume that would be the primary group name.
If all this stuff can easily be fixed in the "Fix me beautifull" thread then let me know, and I'll add them, but I'm getting the impression that new groups are hard to add, somehow.
"Everyway" for Amiga OCS/ECS - when the demo is booted from the file image, someone named "Hoffman" clearly shows up on the loading part - is that a group or not?
"The Vangelis Demo" - I added this myself years ago but I don't know why the group name "Music For Impact" wasn't added - is it not easy to set up that group? There may even be others out there with the same series!
"Vote for Evilbot! Amiga Edition" - I saw a demoparty video of this in action, and clearly there is a group behind it called "Czhulhu" - how come they haven't been added yet?
Last of all is "GL Excess" on Windows - I checked and the author of that is a "Paolo 'Bustard' Martella" - How come he wasn't added as a group? In any case, if there's a nickname I would assume that would be the primary group name.
If all this stuff can easily be fixed in the "Fix me beautifull" thread then let me know, and I'll add them, but I'm getting the impression that new groups are hard to add, somehow.
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if there's a nickname I would assume that would be the primary group name.
Why?
I mean, sure if that's what the author wants, but it's a bit redundant because single users can be assigned credits now. Apart from "The Vangelis Demo", which you yourself failed to add a group to, I don't see anything in need of fixing among that list (the Czhulhu thing might be debatable, depends on the authors). Those prods were simply released outside of any groups, simple as that.
technically speaking 'gl excess' shouldnt even be on pouet as it's not even a demoscene release. adding solo projects to nicknames as demogroups isn't great either, although, happened in the past. technically speaking one guy isn't a demogroup either (unless you're AND), so, better leave it as it is!
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Apart from "The Vangelis Demo", which you yourself failed to add a group to
As I recall, it was rejected. However, I definitely remember trying to add a group at the same time I added the prod.
there are no new groups: scene is dead, deal with it.
A long time ago someone added me as a group, I am not sure I liked it much (seems very pretentious now), I was adding groupless before if I did something solo. And I was like, oh well fuck it (what's added in the database stays there and now it's associated with a lot so I don't ask to remove it). Maybe group names shouldn't be individual persons, it wouldn't make sense in the database and now we have the add credits option.
So who is this Hoffman? I think I've seen his name in other prods, but he shared "Everyway" with someone else, so is it a group work or not?
And who or what is this Czhulhu? I'm wondering why that wasn't added already as a group - unless it really is an individual, too?
I already added "Music For Impact" as a group but I cannot figure out how to add a group to a prod, and I'm starting to think this is where I failed last time.
And who or what is this Czhulhu? I'm wondering why that wasn't added already as a group - unless it really is an individual, too?
I already added "Music For Impact" as a group but I cannot figure out how to add a group to a prod, and I'm starting to think this is where I failed last time.
lol
What I mean it, Spiny, is that it seems someone else has final say on changes.
don't hassle the hoff!
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I released all my stuff under a a group that, unless there's something I don't know, only consists of me. (There were plans, but I didn't really push it or go forwards with it.) I think for some people groups may not matter anymore, given the number of "supergroup" or cross-group collaborations, but if you're new you might be enamored with the big (in stature, not member size) and feel like you need to be in one to fit in, thus create your own. It's also easier to have one name to refer to if you collaborate a lot with the same group of people, unless you want to go the CSNY or Emerson, Lake, and Palmer approach to naming things. :)Maali:
technically speaking 'gl excess' shouldnt even be on pouet as it's not even a demoscene release. adding solo projects to nicknames as demogroups isn't great either, although, happened in the past. technically speaking one guy isn't a demogroup either (unless you're AND), so, better leave it as it is!
I don't know if I should even answer, but as Mr. Foebane72 is constantly ranting about what a shitty, boring and lame Demo "State of the Art" by Spaceballs is (on one of my YouTube Amiga Mixtapes), I feel legit to answer on this matter regarding H0ffmann: If you don't know anything about what I suppose is one of the most wellknown and skilled Amiga Musicians in the past years, you either missed the last 5-10 years of Mod Music / Amiga Scene (that would be an excuse) or you really know nothing....in that case --please-- start thinking before writing . Just my little advice :P
Btw.: If you take a little glimpse on the prod "Everyway" you can clearly see "djh0ffman" in the credits on the pouet page, so you can add 1+1 and recognize that this is a prod by the person H0ffman...
Btw.: If you take a little glimpse on the prod "Everyway" you can clearly see "djh0ffman" in the credits on the pouet page, so you can add 1+1 and recognize that this is a prod by the person H0ffman...
I've read the above twice and still can't tell how groupless-productions are supposed to go into Pouet. I released some (terrible!) bbstros before I joined Hornet; if I wanted to enter them into pouet, what would that process be?
just submitting them without a group?
Yup. Then tag yourself in the credits section.
as the importance of groups is more and more fading, i kinda like the idea of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer tho :D
What about One Man Groups?
Its not like it was news but apparently some people havent uinderstood:
Everybody can choose the group upon submission of the prod (or leave it blank), afterwards only gloperators can change the group...
As far as groupless/1man prods go, nothing wrong with not adding a group I suppose?
Its better than to add handles or even real names as groups, as that is imho just cluttering the database...
Of course in the end everybody has to know for him/herself what label to release under (didnt we just have that the other way around in another thread?).
Everybody can choose the group upon submission of the prod (or leave it blank), afterwards only gloperators can change the group...
As far as groupless/1man prods go, nothing wrong with not adding a group I suppose?
Its better than to add handles or even real names as groups, as that is imho just cluttering the database...
Of course in the end everybody has to know for him/herself what label to release under (didnt we just have that the other way around in another thread?).
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but he shared "Everyway" with someone else, so is it a group work or not?
Not every collection of sceners is a group, and if its not released under a group name, then for god's sake don't try to push it into a group on pouet.
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I don't know if I should even answer, but as Mr. Foebane72 is constantly ranting about what a shitty, boring and lame Demo "State of the Art" by Spaceballs is (on one of my YouTube Amiga Mixtapes)
Btw.: If you take a little glimpse on the prod "Everyway" you can clearly see "djh0ffman" in the credits on the pouet page, so you can add 1+1 and recognize that this is a prod by the person H0ffman...
My opinion towards "State of the Art" has changed somewhat since then - I quite like the beat at the beginning, and it's colorful, although I don't like the quick flashing scenes, but then other prods are guilty of that. But yes, I was far too harsh and if you could point me directly to the YT video, I will delete said negative comment.
As for the credits for "Everyway", as I recall, there's one other person there - I'm sure they contributed to the engine used in the demo, as I recall.
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As for the credits for "Everyway", as I recall, there's one other person there - I'm sure they contributed to the engine used in the demo, as I recall.
Not every demo made with werkkzeug has to be credited to Farbrausch. Same with anyone using someone else's tool. However, Blueberry is credited in the demo so I am not sure which point you are trying to make (unless the point is that you didn't read the entire credits).
Foebane is a bloody idiot anyway so he ain't be making points. but yeah, it's based on blueberry's engine which is some turtle-like 2D scripting engine, afaik. anyway, thusfar it seems to be upped according to how it was released at a party and that seems to work
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Foebane is a bloody idiot anyway so he ain't be making points. but yeah, it's based on blueberry's engine which is some turtle-like 2D scripting engine, afaik. anyway, thusfar it seems to be upped according to how it was released at a party and that seems to work
No need to be rude, Maali. But you are right, I was not thinking straight in that last post, as it was very late.
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Quote:but he shared "Everyway" with someone else, so is it a group work or not?
Not every collection of sceners is a group, and if its not released under a group name, then for god's sake don't try to push it into a group on pouet.
That's really all I needed to know.