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why do most pc cracktros suck?

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sorry, i just wanted to be no.200
added on the 2003-02-14 13:04:52 by graffik graffik

could this be the longest thread in pouet's history? to lazy to check..

added on the 2003-02-14 13:14:13 by raver raver
Whhhooaaah...those kids are really nervous today...smoked to much REED like me?

one sure thing:
it's impossible to bit the stupidity of GRAFFIK,he is the king!!!
In fact he doesn't understand that,making this DOC screen on an atari st at this time was something like a feat for the st sceners....i can explain it 10 times again...he will not understand cause he was not in the game...
HcC,i already said that i'm a shit...there is no interest to repeat 10 times the same shit!
added on the 2003-02-14 14:15:04 by TECK CMP TECK CMP
are you fuckin thick or what....
'he will not understand cause he was not in the game...'
so, what did i say in my post before you said that....
'and yes, i was around in 1989, and also involved in the amiga cracking scene'
you are seriously the dumbest person on the whole of pouet, and you still havent explained to me why it was ripped, whats up, no imagination to create stuff yerselves. wheres the feat in creating something unoriginal?
and, the smoking too much 'reed' thing just isnt funny, please, get a life

It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
added on the 2003-02-14 14:58:57 by graffik graffik
"and, the smoking too much 'reed' thing just isnt funny, please, get a life"

what the fuck.. that was my invention. Screw you :)

added on the 2003-02-14 15:14:11 by hooligan hooligan
ah, but you dont say it every post ;P
added on the 2003-02-14 15:15:42 by graffik graffik
so, you mean, cmp even ripped your little joke aswell, my, my, can you do anything original cmp?
added on the 2003-02-14 15:22:06 by graffik graffik

1)I wrote in this topic a first message because i thinked the meaning of the topic was arrogant

so? i'm not the only one to agree that it's a fact that a whole lot of the modern cracktros suck.
it's hypocritical to go around saying "gr8 work m8!" just because someone made a cracktro.
it's not like you automatically praise everyone who attempts to make a demo either.

2)Reed, i wrote a PERSONNAL mail to you with beautiful insulting words

yeah you did, that's what made you even more lame
added on the 2003-02-14 15:35:07 by reed reed
bah, why doesnt anyone send me personal mail with beautiful words... i mean, it's valentine... i deserve it... mail addy: maali@nirvanaweb.com =D
1)Thanks REED to explain your point of view...i can understand it easily...not like when you you are agressive with your"very original"...thanks man!
2)That was a mail with a proposition but if you are not interesting i understand it too...
...what makes me feel a little nervous is the case of your friend GRAFFIK...he is very,very unstable...he seems to have big nightmare with this story....what can we do for him?
...huuuum..i'll try this one:
GRAFFIK,take it easy..we are having fun in this topic,joking,insulting...etc..but it's just to change....you know to do other style of topic....
DON'T TAKE IT PERSONNALY....do like us...
we don't care...i have nothing to proove,if you don't like me that's cool for me,if you insult me we exchange good words together and that's all...understand??
You have only one life man...pay attention to your nerves!!
Haaaaa...and i forget one thing:
GRAFFIK...if you where really there you knew that the challenge was to make it on an atari st......please help me god(i'm going to be like Maali soon with this guy!!),he is too stupid for sure!!!
added on the 2003-02-14 17:30:21 by TECK CMP TECK CMP
you should listen to your own advise... "but,i promess them not talking " ... "please help me god" those 2 phrases sum up everything you need to know to live the rest of your life...
thanks creature my karma is back now...
added on the 2003-02-14 17:44:33 by TECK CMP TECK CMP
hehehe, you just been bitch slapped by your girlfriend for swearing too much????
why the sudden turn around?
you where the aggressive one at the start, dont try and make it sound like its everyone elses fault, you sir, are a fool who obviously has a crap memory (also, the homo jokes where started by you, not reed)
so please, shut the fuck up

as a sidenote, i have nothing against equinox and they where indeed talented coders etc., however, ripping is ripping, no matter what the intent and really, you coders out there, is it really that difficult to create that scene out of the pupul demo? looks just like colour cycling for the checkerboard floor, a scroller, and a few sprites (correct me if i'm wrong, must admit, just judging from the screenshot, i aint actually watched the demo)
added on the 2003-02-14 17:44:39 by graffik graffik

Hmm.. you were/atari user, I was/am Amiga user.. so technically we were/are enemies. Sorry, but I have to take you down if we ever meet...
On the other hand, I was a Spectrum user in 80s so quess I have to take all c64-sceners down aswell..

Line please, and make room for dropping people and space for piled up corpses.
added on the 2003-02-14 17:56:52 by hooligan hooligan
No graffik,Marion doesn't care about this(hey...it's st Valentin today,hope you will buy a beautiful flower for your girlfriend)....
..;and i feel very happy to see that you are getting better now....i was anxious about you....only 2 insult in this one ,it prooves that you'll make it man!!
Sorry but i'm not ok with your point of view graffik...since the beginning of this topic a lot of people were really arrogant(your friends too, saying to anyone"you are a lamer etc..")...and the beginning of the homo thing was the responsability of REED:
yes, there are some cracktros done for flt that do suck donkey dicks, but they're made by x-pression .....hahahahaha.....(this one is a good one no?)....so,as he was speaking like this,i imagined that he will understand only things like these...so i replied by"you can suck donkeys too"...like he did...
I really don't understand...
Hahahahaha....this topic is going MAD MAD MAD...that's great!!!
added on the 2003-02-14 18:21:07 by TECK CMP TECK CMP
sounds like medication time at camp cmp
so, exactly how many demos have you been involved in? 1? 2? i can only find one really bad tec demo, and maybe 1 or 2 logos in equinox prods???? if thats the case, dont you think you should have shut the fuck up a long time ago?
added on the 2003-02-14 18:39:07 by graffik graffik

1) sucking donkey dicks is not homosexuality, it's bestiality
2) that comment referred to the cracktros, not you. as stated in the other thread, you started the homo flames.
3) I really don't understand... - yes, we noticed.
added on the 2003-02-14 19:26:52 by reed reed
i wouldve thought cmp would know all about beastiality, sheep look worried when cmp is around
added on the 2003-02-14 19:35:48 by graffik graffik
time for more useless atari demoscene knowledge:

around the time it was released, equinox' "pupul" intro was probably regarded as a good one BECAUSE it was quite similar to those amiga prods. why?

(takes off atari shirt, cap, socks and makes quick prayer... blasphemy ahead!)

well because the amiga was/is a more powerful machine ofcourse.. anytime you went to a party or club amiga dudes would show you the latest intros and say "HAHA your atari cannot do that!!". so obviously it was quite nice to be able to prove them wrong a few months later...

in retrospect we can conclude that both the amiga and atari sceners of that time were being stupid. the amiga guys were wrong, the st proved it could do all the tricks of those days later on (and a lot more as well- just like the amiga itself). the atari guys were "blinded by hate" and wasted their time on unoriginal stuff only to prove their machine was as capable as the amiga (which, by a slight margin, it wasn't).

(puts back atari shirt, cap, socks and shouts a healthy "ATARI RULES FOREVER!!!". ahh... that's better ;))

thank you for wasting your time on this message.
added on the 2003-02-14 19:56:02 by havoc havoc
so at what time was ripping considered wrong?
... a crap demo is a crap demo even if it uses commercial music, and judging by other threads and prod comments, not well liked and is generally considered 'lame' especially if its used to boost the quality because the actual demo is crap (no, this isnt time to start rabbiting on about the rights and wrongs of ipping music). several factors determine a good demo, including code, gfx, music, design and originality, if the gfx and design are ripped and the thing isnt original, how can it be good? maybe our perception of demos has chnaged, today, i doubt this would be tolerated.
i must admit, i dont know too much about the st scene, and its only recently i have had a look, one thing i noticed is that there is a hell of a lot of ripping of amiga demos, tbc (the black cats) being the main culprits i suppose, with at least 50% of their demos/intros having ripped stuff from the amiga whether it be music, or gfx. the most notable being the complete rip-off of the classic red sector 'follow me' demo.
amiga user rant: i'd like to see lapsuus by mature furk done on the st if you think the st is hard enough bwahahahaaa

ah well, all this still doesnt change the fact cmp is a prick
added on the 2003-02-14 20:31:11 by graffik graffik

Okay, I sign some point in your post. Times were different. And I must admist I haven't seen his demo/intro ripoff in action, but I do remember the original as I swapped it. And I certainly DO know better shit than that was done on ST before. Crap is crap, no matter if it was done in -32 or in -85

When RSI megademo was released I didn't think it was that good, even after watching it over and over again. And now, week ago I watched it again, and still I don't see anything spectacular in it. It was groupname that made it famous, not quality.

I even add, it was voted for Worldcharts aswell and topped quite good. I can't believe what those voters had in their minds when they cast that vote. I suspect:
a) I don't remember it, or haven't seen it, but people tell its good
b) I haven't seen it, but I'll vote it as a joke
c) I have seen it, but I'll vote it as a joke
d) I have no clue whats happening in amigascene these days, but I will cast a vote at something I remember by name instead of not voting
added on the 2003-02-14 20:59:33 by hooligan hooligan
not all atari ppl are the same though ;)

don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say all those (partial) amiga rippoffs are something the st scene should be proud of. i'm just trying to explain the circumstances that led to the creation of these intros ;)

as for ripped amiga music in atari demos, it's important to remember that it took quite a while before decent trackers were developed on the st. replay routines were available a lot earlier on (and were considered quite an achievement on their own merit), so in the meantime there was only one source for mods: the amiga. you can find lots of demos with ripped amiga music from this era, some made by very high profile crews, but also a lot by less wellknown groups like the black cats.

after the first decent trackers were spread around (noisetracker), the amount of ripped amiga music in st demos quickly decreased and ripping amiga tunes became a very uncool thing to do, usually only practiced by smaller crews and musicdisk makers.

viewing tips for original st demos: virtual escape, flipo, synergy megademo, suretrip 49%... and if you want to see what my personal (not-quite-so-original ;)) contribution to the st scene was you might want to take a look at tut! by wildfire.

lapsuus? iirc that demo requires an 060 amiga- if the ct60 falcon speeder is ever finished there's no reason why it wouldn't be possible. except for time ofcourse ;))
added on the 2003-02-14 21:10:40 by havoc havoc
btw, namevoting sucks rhino dick. on any platform.
added on the 2003-02-14 21:19:43 by havoc havoc
thanks havoc to replace things...
you are the one..thanks for your help..
Much love to you all..
added on the 2003-02-15 02:31:20 by TECK CMP TECK CMP
st user rant: i'd like to see lapsuus by mature furk done on a standard a500 if you think the a500 is hard enough bwahahahaaa


added on the 2003-02-18 11:30:47 by defjam defjam


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