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rasmus: ofcourse! how else do you think odd would have been able to release the demo-series "ELG"?!

i didn't even know there was anything called that ;)

I find some posts in this thread downright odd. People are sanctioning somebody cheating in competitions by the fact that "yeah, that production simply was so great".

So the better production I make the more rules I can break?

I thought that the being a great demogroup / artist / programmer / musician was about creating something yourself instead of ripping somebody off. What's worse, taking the credit for somebody else's work for yourself.

I call that cheating, no matter how good the entry is. There is no excuse for it.

the irony in the thing is that the style (being eurotrance) is cheap enough to "copy" - as in, making something that sounds like the original but in fact it's still new.

Do you guys realise that when music is more than 70 years old, the copyright expires, but if somebody should re-record it, the copyright on the new recording lasts another 70 years? So if the moped demo used a copyrighted mp3 of a recent recording of that tune, they've made a far worse breach of copyright laws that the 4k did!

Psionice, are you sure about that? I find it hard to believe that a person would get the copyright for someone else's work. Who owns Shakespeare's work? Or the Bible?

preacher: there is no copyright on the bible... it expired around 2000 years ago, but try selling copies of that passion of christ film on the street ;D

The original work loses its copyright after 70 years (i think its 50 here in the UK) but if you record a performance of it, you can copyright that recording of the performance. So if the Moped demo had music played and recorded by themselves, or ripped from a recording over 70 years old, they're fine. If they ripped from a CD bought last week at the record store, they violated the copyright of that recording.

Of course, checking the probable 100's of recordings of that particular piece of music to see if its a copyrighted version is not a job i'd want if I were an asm orga, but maybe its something to consider for next year.

Btw, I have heard that the guys that made moped did infact record the music themselves... if that's true, there is of course no copyright infringement with that demo.

It does raise a bit of a general issue though: we're allowing stuff that passes copyright laws in compos, but if groups are going to use a lot of ripped but legitimate stuff (how about mozart on piano, van gogh on 2d, and some free 3d scans of michaelangelo's sculptures all running in werkzeug or demopaja for a demo?) do we really want that? Is it fair to the other groups?

Ah, I thought you meant that if somebody records a song, he or she shalll receive the copyright for the original song (which would've been stupid indeed). Misreading on my part, sorry :)

As far as I'm concerned, I'd much rather listen to Mozart and look at Van Gogh than listen to mediocre technopop and look at something so obviously done with Photoshop. Personally I have no problems with copyrighted works either, as long as they're credited to their original authors, but I'm one of those "free as in freedom, not as in free beer"-hippies anyway so my opinions don't count ;)

agreed :D
(even with the misreading part - you weren't the only one :)

apologies for the obviously bad post if people were misreading it.

Right, I'm off to do my van gogh vs. mozart demo. What's the prize money going to be next year? :P

It's gone now.

NOW who has the video?

Yup. Just double checked, it's gone. REALLY gone.

dead and burried, just like the demo-scene!

Radman: Rebirth had copyright material, and so it was taken down, however, you'll still be able to find it on the group's website.

And to all that say that the ReBirth music was a better version of the oriignal tune, I totally agree with you ;)

even copyrighted material is free for use from non profital artist work :P

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So do I. Forget that it was 4KB for a second and just listen. Rebirth's cover of the song is plain and simply better.



No, not always true. And one could very easily argue the amount of hardware received is a form of "profit" as it has an actual cash value.

and the fact that scene.org is sponsored... and i believe isn't a non-profit organisation... I think... It's a company. Although you know how I am with these things. Very poor.

Oh, and RadMan, sorry I never got to interview you...

taken from http://www.scene.org/info.php:

Scene.org is a non-profit organization aimed at providing the 'electronic art scene' with a forum for communication and for sharing their work.

and actually i wouldn't have really minded remixing a track (even if it's clearly against the party's rules) if they would've given credit to Clokx...