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i dont know what is more shocking about this: the fact you are looking for another hobby now or that there is a country that censores pouet!!1one

BTW: Was there a reason that the winners were selected by a jury instead of the demoscene-community, perhaps by using a voting-form (just like the public choice award)?

@wysiwtf: don't be scared. A minor advantage of burning a couple of years into a demo tool is that you want to use it for some releases...

hi sceners,

i just want to add an important thing here.

first of all: respect to the people how worked
hard to make such an event possible over the past years.

scene.org awards is dead
but not all hope is lost: i believe there will be a replacement for it.

please allow me to explain some of my thoughts:

i was really pissed when i heard at revision that scene.org
dropped the wild/animation competition.

i talked to blueberry, gargaj, netpoet, truck etc. and we had
a friendly discussion why this is.

the 1st answer was: the demoscene has very few releases in anim/wild
the 2nd the demoscene is mostly real-time.


i understand that people outside the scene could "abuse" demoparties
to add their videos anims etc. to get more attention.

BUT - i made a non-realtime animation as a scener on my own which won the first place at revision - a major party.
i made it for a pure demoscene event and released it first at a
demoparty.

i get a bad feeling and i get very angry if someone is telling me the demoscene is all about realtime productions.

we all know it is not.

but if only realtime productions are nominated or shown at an event like the awards then i have to ask the question: are really only realtime productions soa worthy ?

you must be kidding me !

i´m an attention whore - yes - and it would be cool to win such an award.
but its not what drives me / motivates me making anims. such a "chalice" would be cool though.

dont get me wrong - i have no problem with not being nominated or not winning such an award. its all a question about taste, quality, better productions, better artists etc.

BUT not even getting the chance because of a non existing anim/wild compo
category or saying its not realtime and therby not "demoscene". that is just unfair.

productions rt or not - made for the scene - shown within the scene - at parties - or just here on pouet - made by sceners (and i am part of the scene trust me) should get the chance to be seen again in the summary of "the best shit of the last year".

so, please - pretty please: the replacement event for soa should include a
category for stuff like animations, hardware stuff and hacks, hey i forgot all the great music productions that we didn´t even talked about. best music/soundtrack.

is a song thats released at a music compo less worthy than a track inside of a demo ?

totally stupid example: if hans zimmer or prodigy would be part of the scene and would release a "track" at eg. tum - it would not even be mentioned by the "system" that scene.org for the awards used so far.

also think about all the great graphics releases of a year. they are not part of a demo but they were made by people of the scene.

are they less worth for the title best gfx ?
on the other hand - all coders will scream now sorry ;) if someone would use blenders game engine - with the best pics gfx and music you ever seen and heard - then it would be realtime. would it only be "allowed" for best music / gfx at the awards that way ? that´s stupid i know.

i don´t just want to flame around here - i have no clue how hard it must be to organize such an event and how to sort out everything to make such an event not a "one day filling" show.

but please - give the people a chance who work hard on their productions regardless of which type they are and show them to the public.

best regards

cosmic

you missed the point

if hans zimmer would make me music, i wouldnt give a fuck about any award you give or dont give me :D

gargaj has a point

A big thanks to everyone who made the awards possible. Too bad they are discontinued, but I respect your decision. Cheers!

oh noes! no more take-a-beer-outside-without-missing-anyrthing-relevant - break at easterpardee anymore!

DUB AWARDS!

And yeah, as already mentioned, it does take some time to watch "all" entries from a given year as a jury - but the most difficult thing (for me at least) is to evaluate the productions - especially the top ones, since they usually each habe their own unique qualities.

I still think the demo-scene needs, and can handle an whole-year-award. However it will indeed need some people willing to invest time and energy into it.

Yeah, me too. I started my first prod right after that category was dropped by scene.org-awards. ):

But on the other hand my stuff perhaps wasn't good enough anyway for being nominated. (:

and the winner is:
www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVbS70ERPhCBLNAMY41p8vqLP2p9QwkKU
(sorted depending on views...)
20 Demos / 1:30:44 runtime

This is like saying that the the average demoparty audience shouldn't have a right to vote for winners because they don't know sh*t about demos anyways.

It has made it into the news:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Aus-fuer-den-Demoszene-Oscar-1796772.html

This thread is repeating itself...

...which is kindof scenish if you think about it :)

Repeating? May I suggest palindromeda suger? :)

An unbelievably stupid example, considering the fact that the category is "best soundtrack".

best soundtrack != best music release at a demoparty

you already have your democracy at parties, and that's one side of the coin.

i'd say the jury puts in a lot more effort than the average scener does to watch a shitload of demos, to thoroughly review a shitload of demos based on as-objective-as-possible criteria, and to come to an informed decision. jury-based votes are also less prone to manipulation in one way or another (automated voting, advertising in social media, etc). as i understand it, the members of the jury were also chosen on the principle that they're both able and willing to put in the needed effort to judge the assload of demos that they do, and have a track record of being active in the demoscene. they also represent a reasonable range of nationalities present in the demoscene.

arguing whether or not the informed opinion is more valuable than the public opinion is stupid. they both stand their ground. i really don't see why the presence of jury-based awards is so difficult to accept for some.

no, i'm not affiliated with scene.org nor the awards in any way.

aaaaaand the most unreadable post on pouet award goes to cosmic! congratulations!

Hi all,

These are bad news :-(. I have very good memories from the awards (of both winning and losing), over the (9? 10?) years they've been around.

But we are still around, we'll be making demos even if there is nobody to watch and I'm sure some of you will do the same. We'll wait and see if there is a replacement, it will be welcomed.

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